We Need To Talk:
After watching this happening repeatedly in ‘charismatic’ churches over years, one particular event a couple of weeks ago finally broke me. The straw it had been heaping on my back became too heavy for me to bear. So I decided to blog about………fornication and what happens when it goes wrong. When churches use the people caught to invite public stoning in order to ‘drive the message home’ that ‘we don’t tolerate that’ – whatever ‘that’ even is!
Definitions
Bear with me here it might seem like this paragraph is teaching you how to suck eggs but it is here primarily for all my peers who in my opinion, use their grossly insufficient views of what sex and fornication actually is and constitutes of to hide behind their (wrong) practice and acceptance of it as inconsequential to their walk of faith.
Sex is defined by the dictionary as:
- Coitus (Sexual intercourse between a man and woman involving insertion of the penis into the vagina)
- Any physical contact between two individuals involving (direct and indirect) stimulation of the genital organs of at least one
Fornication (which is important to know for the purposes of this piece) is also according to the dictionary defined as: ‘Voluntary/ consensual sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other’
The word fornication has been historically translated from the Greek porneia, the original definition of which is provided by Strong’s concordance as:
- Illicit (forbidden if conducted outside one man and one woman married to each other and no one else) sexual intercourse
- Adultery, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals, intercourse with more than one person
- Sexual intercourse with close relatives (Leviticus 18)
- Sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman (Mark 10:11-12)
One can also go through the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament to see what Hebrew words were translated to porneia to get an idea of what the word meant. If you do it, you will find:
- Zanah – To lie down like a prostitute (Jeremiah 2:20, Micah 1:7)
- Zenunim – Harlotry, prostitution (Hosea 1:2, Nahum 3:4)
- Zenuth – Unfaithfulness, prostitution (Numbers 14:33, Jeremiah 3:2, Hosea 4:11)
- Taznuth – Harlotry, lust (Ezekiel 16:15, 23:7&11)
There is NO reputable Greek lexicon or dictionary which includes pornography or masturbation as a part of the definition of porneia even though the word pornography has clearly evolved from the Greek porneia. The actual Greek word for masturbation was anaphlan, which does not appear at all in the Bible. This does not however, permit either (as they both count as direct and indirect stimulation of the genital area).
So now we should all be clear exactly what the ‘church’ and the bible mean when they say fornication. This root word includes all forms of sexual act, thought, word or deed (resulting in both direct and indirect stimulation of someone’s genital organs) that are not within the confines of one single heterosexual marriage in which the acts are committed between you and your consenting spouse ALONE (this might seem like a straightforward thing to say but if your spouse does not consent or feels physically/ mentally/ emotionally/ spiritually coerced into sexual acts with you then this is non-consensual sex which is also forbidden in the bible). Any of the above involving anyone else other than your legal spouse is classed as adultery (when you are married). If you are not, this is fornication.
Got Caught Out!
I tried to find statistics on fornication in the modern church and surprise surprise-I couldn’t. So I did my own straw poll from the closest Christian married twenty girlfriends I have had in the past ten years. Only FIVE made it married without having coital relations with their now spouse and out of those five, only THREE of them made it without having done anything other than kiss their now spouse. But I can’t speak for the men whether or not they ever watched porn or masturbated whilst with my friend when they weren’t ‘getting it’.
Let’s not kid ourselves, this is not unrepresentative. The individuals classed above include women from all walks of life, all nationalities AND all types of churches but mostly the charismatic variety. They had and still have great walks with God, great marriages and happy families. But out of the twenty, two of them have something in common; they ‘got’ pregnant before they were married. And this sometimes happens I guess when people engage in sexual intercourse. But my problem is the way this and the ‘discovery’ of sexual immorality / sin (usually by the resulting pregnancy and the woman’s decision to keep the baby) are dealt with in the church. This is the subject of this blog piece!
DO TIME!
- Step down from ministry-OK
- For 1-3 years-Really?
- Re-do church membership class-Because I am automatically excluded by you for something I struggled and failed with!
- Attend EVERY cell group/ prayer meeting/ church service-And hand in my resignation/ let my studies fall apart so I can have you sign my ‘holy’ register……? Are you planning to make an exception if I work shifts or have exams coming up? And what about when my baby is born. If I have a caesarean or if it takes me time to heal/ settle/ adjust-do I have to still drag myself and my baby out in the cold as a single Mom with no transport? Are you going to punish me-and how long for exactly?
- If your attendance is not satisfactory (by whoever asserts themselves as holier than you enough to act as your mentor/ jailer), you will need to attend 4x for every once skipped-WTH?????
- Confess in front of the ENTIRE congregation-so they can all kiss their teeth at me as a harlot when I walk down the hallway, stop talking to me, judge me and cast stones at me. Oh-and not actually help me or encourage me, or even realise that now I have this baby I am struggling to love when everyone is making me feel like I should hate him/ her! What if my baby’s dad is in a position of leadership in the church?
- Attend counselling once a week for 1yr+-which I will clearly need more (after the psychological effects the congregations attitudes indirectly encouraged by the leaderships’ has left on me) than I need because I already feel deeply depressed at what I have done and where I find myself being so far than anything I had ever dreamed of/ wanted and having now to turn this into my dream
- Have your (few) movements chaperoned by someone from the pastoral counselling team who didn’t know you until your ‘case’ turned up on their desk making you their ‘patient’
The Rest
“I wish I’d had an abortion. But how can I think that? It says in the bible that God creates every child. So if my child is a consequence of sin-does that mean he/ she wasn’t created by God? That doesn’t sound right to me! I want to love him/ her, I want people to get excited with me, but they just won’t let it go. And now many people have deserted me, and even my friends who are all fornicating with their boyfriends have distanced themselves because they are scared I’ll drag them down with me. I feel alone and to be honest I can’t be bothered. My body hurts everywhere and all these demands-I don’t love people who are hurting me enough to carry out their demands. I’m out!”
“So what if we want to continue our relationship without being ‘forced’ to get married just because I’m pregnant? We want to do it in our own time and not think we did it just so we didn’t have our baby before. But then why must we then separate and he painted irresponsible because he won’t ‘marry me’ like if that is what validates our child. Is his/ her existence not enough to validate him/ her? And so if we don’t do what you say now why will you not dedicate our child? I’m out!
“I just had an abortion but I would rather torment myself forever than let them do to me what I saw them do to my friend. Not too sure God will ever love me again but I love Him even though I can’t ever say that I am sorry for what I did. The alternative is more unbearable to me than what I had to do. Don’t think I’ll ever tell whoever I marry; this will just be one of those things that eat away my heart until the day I die. I’m in, but I guess deep down-I’m out”.
“No one knows I am on the pill/ just took the morning after pill because I skipped a day by accident/ the condom tore/ that we’re having sex. Does that make me a bad person? I don’t really care I have been with him five years and we were ‘allowed’ to date from when we were sixteen but they want us to wait to get married. We have decided to do it our own way and just stop feeling guilty because as far as we are concerned we are sure we will get married and would do so tomorrow if they would stop telling us we are too young. So we’ve reached a compromise and well-stuff them. We’re out!”
THAT RIGHT THERE is the reality of how these things pan out. Although I must be clear. I do not condone sexual immorality of any sort, but I am a solution driven person and what I do believe is that ‘the rest’ must be looked at before ‘doing time’ is arrived at. Because potentially 65% of unmarried 16-30year olds in the church are currently sexually active and getting away with it which is completely overlooked like this means their walk with God is ok?
But how on earth do you expect to ever learn about ‘the rest’ when you’re so busy prosecuting and witch hunting and spin doctoring? Who do you think will ever come forward and tell you that they’re looking down at that slippery slope with a large dosage of vertigo? And why should they? When all they see are their friends leaving the church/ dropping out of faith because of the way you’re treating them when they get caught? I wouldn’t! And if I would be ostracised from the church for being the only one that gets excited for my friend then so be it. I am more for mercy from heaven than I am for earthly justice because heavenly mercy is not without fire, but earthly justice is without God and therefore, without grace.
Before the fall!
I want to talk to all the pastors and shepherds in the house (global kingdom of God) here and school you on what to do with ‘us’ so ‘we’ don’t get to you needing the next paragraph of this blog piece.
Why do ‘we’ do it? I have bullet pointed below some of the pitfalls of charismatic churches that in my opinion, contribute to why young adults and adults are increasingly sexually active within the church without regard for the sacredness and sanctity of sexual intimacy in marriage.
- The leaders never preach/ teach on it
- The leaders never invite questions on it
- The leaders never facilitate an environment in church where ‘we’ can talk about it openly
- The leaders never ask ‘us’ why ‘we’ are having sex
- The leaders are not prepared to listen
- The leaders are not approachable
- The leaders are unrighteously judgemental
- The leaders punish instead of judging with mercy and grace
- The leaders apply tactics that do not work (such as forced separation etc)
- Parents never teach their children restraint in a world where society says you can have whatever you want right now without waiting (lack of familial and financial discipline=lack of sexual discipline)
- Parents don’t facilitate an environment where children can ask as many questions on sex as they need to learn the correct way what purpose it serves
Now it says in the bible….
“Train up a child in the way he should go [and in keeping with his individual gift or bent], and when he is old he will not depart from it.” (Proverbs 22:6)
But how can ‘we’ not depart from something ‘we’ have not been trained in? “Don’t do it” doesn’t cut it in a world where children are more and more curious and exposed to a world more information at an earlier age. Not talking to children openly and honestly in great detail about sex at the beginning of primary school is a MASSIVE mistake. I came to this country aged ten years old. In two weeks I knew what oral sex was and how to do it along with other things that the girls I was befriending were doing behind the bike shed with the boys. That is the reality of playground talk and that was seventeen years ago. Now-it is even worse! Ten year olds are getting pregnant and primary school children are being taught how gay sex works which means they can, not only distinguish the difference between anal and vaginal sex, but are cognisant of the role of sex toys and pornography which is why children between the ages of 12-15 now watch porn more than adults do.
This is the beginning of the end. If you do not get to children before the world does, you will lose them to the world-if not physically, in their minds. Then ‘THE SEPARATION’ will occur. The relationship between God and sexuality will become severed and in going forward, will be permanently seen as independent one from another. This broken link is almost impossible to reconcile. This castration of God’s original template is the largest contributing factor to why ‘we’ have sex. And by the time ‘we’ get to sixteen, it is too late to try and educate ‘us’.
At this point in my life, I know of less than a handful of people out of hundreds of my peers who have kept the link between God and sexuality pure and intact from childhood into adulthood.
Personally, I have gone on a journey of re-building this link in my life and above all the seminars I have attended, conversations I have had with Christian friends and mentors, bible chapters and books that I have read, I have one book to thank for helping me make that re-connect. ‘Sex God: Exploring the Endless Connections between Sexuality and Spirituality’ by Rob Bell saved my life and future marriage. It did for me what my parents and every church leader I have ever had, failed to do (largely due to cultural and societal norm not to talk sex as a taboo topic). It established a link in me so strong between God and sex that I am now unable to separate the two. But I have worked hard for this because I knew I was insufficient in my understanding of intimacy and the more I knew God, the more I felt a gap between Him and my understanding of sex, my body and the connection between the purpose of them all.
But that was me and I was hungry for the template that I knew existed if not in practice in my life. It is by the grace of God that ‘we’ in our generation come to this renewal of mind, soul, body and spirit. The truth is that church is still full of young adults and adults who still do not understand that God and sexuality were never created to be apart. They have sex outside of marriage and then are not fulfilled in their marriage sex lives because they have sex outside of God and don’t get that what they are doing is a re-enactment of communion and a representation of the intimacy intended by Christ with His bride the church. It’s deep and I have a revelation of it. But where are ‘we’ getting taught this!
And those are the ones who make it married. Sometimes a girl will get pregnant before she is married. But instead of the church and her parents and everyone around her examining themselves to see how far back ‘this’ started, they jump to corporate punishment.
If you have ever instigated or supported public punishment in your church of those caught in sin, the next few paragraphs are for you. May the Lord God teach you the right way!
Mercy
So what is mercy? And how do we calibrate it against ensuring we teach our people well in our treatment of those who have fallen in their walk? We know that God’s template is a certain way for families and life, but in this all, we must separate the person who falls from the rest of the congregation!
Mercy comes after the fall. There must be much private alignment of the person’s life with God’s intended pattern, and then public mercy shown. Jesus never invited anyone to stone anyone else in public and if anything-He condemned it. His pattern is the only way we should deal with these things. Draw a line in the sand, protect the person from stones, take them somewhere new and help them put themselves back together in the intimacy of grace.
This is not rocket science. Counselling-yes! Prayer-Yes! Buddying up-Yes! Potential relocation-Yes! Encouragement to attend and BELONG-Yes! But for the love of God, you cannot deny someone the chance to minister FOR YEARS because they fell (if they want help to come back to right standing before God). Perhaps they can’t serve somewhere so public but still, they must serve because to take that away from them is to take away what God created them for. And what exactly will a forced confession in front of an entire congregation do? The love of God builds people, and yet somehow the church tears people down. Doesn’t this just mean we are not conduits of the love of God? So are we really Christians and worthy of the name that is Himself love?
“Beloved, let us love one another, for love is (springs) from God; and he who loves [his fellowmen] is begotten (born) of God and is coming [progressively] to know and understand God [to perceive and recognize and get a better and clearer knowledge of Him]. He who does not love has not become acquainted with God [does not and never did know Him], for God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest (displayed) where we are concerned: in that God sent His Son, the only begotten or unique [Son], into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins. Beloved, if God loved us so [very much], we also ought to love one another.” (1 John 4:7-11)
“There is no fear in love [dread does not exist], but full-grown (complete, perfect) love turns fear out of doors and expels every trace of terror! For fear brings with it the thought of punishment, and [so] he who is afraid has not reached the full maturity of love [is not yet grown into love’s complete perfection].” (1 John 4:18)
“If anyone says, I love God, and hates (detests, abominates) his brother [in Christ], he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, Whom he has not seen. And this command (charge, order, and injunction) we have from Him: that he who loves God shall love his brother [believer] also.” (1 John 4:20-21)
When Jesus came to die on the cross for our sins, did he ever ask us to stand before the Sanhedrin before He went there on our behalf? Were we ever to confess our shame publicly? Did he invite us to stone each other one last time before He died? Did he turn the woman with the alabaster jar away from service because she fell? Did he scorn Zaccheus up the tree to stay there lest he got his hands on him to discipline him? Did he tell Nicodemus to wait a year before he could get the secret of the Kingdom because He had a questionable past?
“For God did not send the Son into the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world but that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him.” (John 3:17)
Mercy facilitates you back into the throne room where judgement abides, but grace also. Mercy is when everyone knows you’ve done wrong, but they choose not to punish you according to their own understanding because they understand that judgement and punishment are not only two separate things entirely, but that although judgement according to biblical specification is permissible, punishment however is not.
And this is why……
Judgement
Judgement is the evaluation of evidence used in the making of a decision. So in basic terms-you are fornicating outside of marriage=you are sinning/ are a sinner/ have fallen short of God’s template for your life. We have evaluated the evidence and reached a conclusion, judgement SHOULD stop here. But more often than not, punishment (the authoritative imposition of something negative or unpleasant on a person in response to behaviour deemed wrong by an individual or group) is thrown into the mix. And in the context of what led me to write this blog piece, the lines have become so blurred that I see in churches much punishment, but no judgement; much death, but no life.
This is not OK because judgement has been created by God to expose sin, in order for mercy to rescue and grace to teach. Punishment however, is man’s interpretation of how they should impose God’s judgement and more often than not, distributed independently of, and without either mercy or grace. It is no surprise then when we see this punishment killing, stealing and destroying people’s lives and although first painful, judgement brings life by first pruning of dead parts in order for the whole body to blossom and fruit again in the next season.
Mercy triumphs over justice
“Those who are strong and well (healthy) have no need of a physician, but those who are weak and sick. Go and learn what this means: I desire mercy [that is, readiness to help those in trouble] and not sacrifice and sacrificial victims. For I came not to call and invite [to repentance] the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God), but sinners (the erring ones and all those not free from sin).” (Matthew 9:12-13)
“So speak and so act as [people should] who are to be judged under the law of liberty [the moral instruction given by Christ, especially about love].For to him who has shown no mercy the judgment [will be] merciless, but mercy [full of glad confidence] exults victoriously over judgment.” (James 2:12-13)
When it comes to judging we always need to make sure we judge fairly and righteously (John 7:24) because this leads directly to mercy and grace; and this should be only after we know the facts and consider the situation. This is not an unforgiving or sudden judgment. It is a concerned response full of mercy intended to heal, help and deliver hope.
Mercy and judgment offer more than punishment and scorn which usually accompany prejudice, bitterness, pride and hatred. Judgement is connected to mercy and grace, forgiveness and hope. The kind of public punishment and humiliation often dished out to the women in church that get caught out pregnant usually delivers an unjust final verdict while mercy offers another chance and a fresh start. Mercy is what we need and where would any of us be without the great mercy of God? Through mercy God gives us what we need, not what we deserve. It is all a part of His law that gives life and freedom. If we do not, in our entire pastoring, pass on this tremendous gift, we become selfish, short-sighted and unrepresentative of Christ for failing to relate that which we have received. If we punish and leave broken instead of judge with mercy to heal – we have failed God in our calling.
If you are a pastor reading this then I implore you to remember in your treatment of those caught in sin that our God is a judging and merciful God, one who abides in love, lives in justice and does not punish and break His children. Instead of the punishment which we deserve, each and every day we receive mercy and grace through judgement in our lives. It was by the mercy of God that Noah was not the last righteous man on earth after God judged the earth with a flood. It is by the mercy through the judgement of God that you are here today. And it is by the mercy through the judgement of God that born-again Christians will spend eternity with the greatest giver of mercy, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. So let us forsake punishment and let judgement lead to mercy that forgives and grace that renews. We who have been charged with the lives of others need to think truly of what reflects heaven the best.
Stay Fabulous
Bella.x



Jun 27, 2012 @ 08:14:23
hmmm…. thank you for this blog piece. It is indeed controversial…some true points but it is also good to note that a saint who falls & shares it with the congregation…(well it depends on the church) but I dont see it as judgment. It is a matter of being accountable…the pastor stands with the fallen person infront of the church to clearly let the church know what has happened, but to also say “we will walk with you until you are restored”. This does not only apply to sexual sins but to other sins like if a person who was serving in church was caught in fraud etc etc. I personally think it is a good thing to let the church know what has happened once & for all so that fingers are not pointed & questions not asked when they see the unmarried person pregnant. she comes to the front with the man, the pastor by their side, they “confess” (the Bible says we should confess our sins to one another)….and the church comes in agreement to walk with them & support them. If the lady (& the man) were serving in Ministry, then a certain lifestyle of purity is expected for their testimony. They are examples. So if they fall, I believe it is right to come & publicly acknowledge it so that the younger ones will see their hearts…and be all the more moved by their humility.
I do agree with a lot of things you said…certain things like “forcing” a couple to marry in order to validate the child etc etc. It depends on the case…but if the man really loves the woman, he would have waited…and if a mistake happens & there is a child on the way, then true love would want to marry her anyway…whether before the birth or after.
I feel you on this blog…a friend of mine was not even allowed to get married in church because she was pregnant. the man wanted to marry her so for me it was right. they wanted to seal this bond before God, but they were not allowed. They had to go & wed at the registry. That for me was stepping too far. Will such a person feel like she can come to church again & that church will be her family? we can talk all day about this issue…may God help us, and help the church. IT IS WELL
Jun 27, 2012 @ 08:45:31
my favourite part is “before the fall”. if we get that part right all else will not be a problem.
Jun 27, 2012 @ 08:53:27
Marie-Anne: I think maybe I should clarify that the “confession” in question is not usually carried out how you specified. Unfortunately, leaders often time abuse it and it is done in a way that leaves the person feeling broken instead of protected. It is a very fine line and the motive and heart behind it is key! So yes I agree with you, but the way it is done is so much more important than the fact that it is being done. If it is done right, the person in question will leave feeling better about themselves. But unfortunately the only way you can tell is when it is too late!
Jun 27, 2012 @ 09:35:38
True. Actually I am grateful for this blog as it has opened my eyes and gives me warning signals about the future in ministry. In my whole life I have never seen a church that has applied such heavy punishment as all those you stated above. I am really honest. The pastors I have been privileged to know, have carried out the confession with mercy and it led to healed families being born as a result. Then again I’ve only been member of 2 churches. I have had friends (as the one I mentioned earlier who was not allowed to marry in church because of pregnancy)…but other than that I have never seen such public stoning. If there are churches that do it as you stated above, then there is need for a public outcry by those who have been hurt. In that case, may God bless you for speaking up.
BUT I believe most churches & leaders & parents have made mistakes in the area of “teaching the youth about sex”….indeed cultural taboos etc etc….lead to kids venturing into the playground to learn. But I believe in rightly teaching them & getting them to develop a relationship with God from an early stage. That’s why I believe you should write a blog for your peers who have not caught that revelation that you have.
Jun 27, 2012 @ 10:12:01
I started reading this last night and finished this morning. This post needs to be read by every church leader or counsellor or youth worker. You went in!! (and I don’t use that expression often, lol!) I love the fact that you took the time to explain the terminology of sex, intercourse etc. because if we don’t agree on what those words mean, how can we even begin to approach the subject and be in harmony about it all?! Also, this part: “I do not condone sexual immorality of any sort, but I am a solution driven person and what I do believe is that ‘the rest’ must be looked at before ‘doing time’ is arrived at. ” THIS describes the type of person I am. As you know, pregnancy before marriage is my testimony and I have blogged about it too, so this is very close to my heart. My biggest problem with the way some churches approach sex and extra-marital sex is the fact that they don’t offer a judgement-free platform for discussion. Like you highlighted. We have to understand why people do certain things and go to the root of the problem. It’s not about making excuses for it, it’s about trying to dissect the very reasons why people engage in fornication and deal with the issue using the findings, with an understanding and compassionate heart. I feel that some counsellors in the world are better trained than some church counsellors. LOVE should be at the centre. Correction, yes, but with LOVE as a foundation, and not the desire to shame or alienate people for the sin they have committed. Thanks for posting this! I will share it online 🙂
Jun 27, 2012 @ 12:59:41
“The love of God builds people, and yet somehow the church tears people down”
…this is my testimony – after being torn down by the leadership in my old church for my unapologetic missional approach to leading a small group, I lost my desire for church & didn’t attend any church service or small group for the best of 1 year! That was until some friends from a different church started inviting me round to theirs for dinner and movies, and slowly showed me what a real, calm, loving, relational community of individuals with a practical and world-facing faith looks like (not insular!).
I know this blog is about sex, but for me, the deeper question has always been about what role the church should occupy in peoples lives – should it legislate on / arbitrate / act as mediator in the relationship between God and individuals?! I respect that answers to that will be different, but my answer to this question is a definite No! For me, the root of the sex problem (amongst others) is a widespread christian culture that teaches people to depend in absolute terms on a church to validate them, provide them with their values, sense of self, place, and belonging, etc. This feeds some churches the idea that they can wield power without accountability when it comes to their influence in peoples lives, such that many fail to protect peoples’ dignity. It’s little wonder many people look at the church and say “Im out”…and let me tell you, knowing many of those people (a fair few who are now hardcore atheists), no church programme with fancy marketing will change their minds. The best thing that ever happened to me was when after years of being controlled by church leaders, I took Bob Marley’s lyric and remixed it to apply to the way I relate to church – “emancipate yourself from mental slavery”…mental slavery being the rules that are more about an imposed man-made culture and nothing at all to do with God! Once I made this distinction in my mind, I was freed to truly get to know God as my PERSONAL lord & saviour.
At the end of the day we are all on our own journeys and after you’ve eaten & prayed with brethren, you then head off back on the road on your own journey (like Pilgrim’s Progress), and out on the road only you are responsible for your relationship with God. If churches fail to teach people to think for themselves thereby turning them into mindless followers, then we (the church of Christ) not only stop people from going forth into the world, but we also waste the very reason for the work of great saints such as from John Wycliffe, Hus, Gutenberg, Linacre, and Colet, through to Erasmus, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, et al. – all of whom sacrificed greatly in order that people would know God PERSONALLY and not have to rely on the whims of priests who were the only ones able to interpret messages from the latin bible into the common language via their sermons! My summation – Give people the framework, teach them how to use it independently, and send them out to live freely, in the name of Christ.
One thing’s for sure, you’ve given a lot of pastors ammunition for many sundays to come lol…
Jun 27, 2012 @ 14:40:05
ha ha ha ha!!! Phil I love your response. Indeed this blog has opened a can of worms and I’m right with you on that one. This problem is one that goes past “sex in the church”.
Jun 27, 2012 @ 19:28:19
Interesting! I would have thought such demeaning attitudes were the exclusive preserve of the church in Nigeria. Its good to know that God’s people everywhere are struggling with very much the same issues. My three kids are really young and so some of my friends are very surprised about how I discuss body parts and their functions with them. I had the privilege of having a mum who tried to frankly discuss sex with me when I turned 13. Feeling awkward, dear mummy bought us tickets to see a play that she thought might help, we walked home so she could talk as we strolled (I wasn’t supposed to notice how nervous she was!) We had a very illuminating discussion, but sadly it wasn’t my first sex talk. I’m adamant I want to be the first to talk to my children about sex and I’m trying to keep the communication channels wide open. I try not to talk them down and I listen very carefully to every discussion. We live in much more complicated times and in a society that is in no wise comparable to the quaint university town of Nsukka, south east Nigeria. I don’t have the advantage of a loving, close knit (though sometimes critical) community like the one my parents brought us up in, so I believe I have to work and pray twice as hard. I and my husband came to our marriage bed as virgins and its been a great blessing to our home. I don’t speak about it because some people may think me haughty or prudish, but I know now that a lot of young people need to know that sexual purity is ‘doable’. Its really tough if you don’t realize that you are vulnerable, human and in need of grace. It is even harder when you are in a relationship that’s about to lead straight up to marriage. Just a few things that helped me that might help you:
– Date a believer (its really hard to stay pure with someone who doesn’t get ur drift)
– Have the talk with your partner (the sparks are already flying, you are very seriously attracted to this guy for Pete’s sake)
– Take practical steps to stay out of temptation’s way ( no silly night vigils pls)
– Surround your self with friends who will help strengthen your resolve
– Resist the compulsion to discuss this wt everyone
– Pray without ceasing ( God is seeing it all anyways!)
SHALOM
Jun 27, 2012 @ 19:56:12
Nkem you make some very good points which I think all young Christians should listen to. I am not currently in a relationship but when I was, I had the wonderful privilege of having been able to date Christian men for many years seriously without ever breaching that purity. It is a real shame that I am one of the only people I know who could, and did not!
Jul 07, 2012 @ 11:45:06
Revolutionarily powerful! This is a blog that, though primarily focuses on ‘sex and church response to it’, I see a deeper discuss here. Much deeper! I see the most crucial as the ‘Before the fall’ part.
I’ve ‘preached’ hugely on the role of ‘Church’ in societal gravitation to God-ward. It is certainly more than John 3:16, which itself is, arguably, a scripture to the ‘Church’ as opposed to a direct letter to the ‘World’.
The Church is a Subset of a bigger Set – the Planet World – “they are not of the world BUT IN THE WORLD…”. Folks return into this bigger Set once ‘grace’ is shared and pleasantries exchanged. In Mathematics a Subset shares the characteristic features of the bigger Set which it is part of. Isn’t it therefore crucial that ‘Church’ establishes an interactive link with the ‘playground’ Her ‘children’ spend an appreciable period of time in, in order to better appreciate the challenges that steer the ‘Church’ in the face thus knowing best-fit strategies suitable for addressing them? “Be wise as the serpent…” simply suggests “know what’s going on in your arch-enemy’s mind and territory” so you can re-allign your warfare engagement.
The effectiveness of salvation was perfected in that the Creator came to become like (learn from, more or less) the creature so He could be ’empowered’ to revert the creature into the image of the Creator. God would have gone no where with this His ultimate vision had He sat up in the ‘four corners’ of His ‘Holy Kingdom’.
The first exponential growth experienced by the early Church came as a result of the ‘World’ seeing the Church speak its ‘language’, not ‘heavenly’ language.
My personal experience engaging with youths in Africa and the West, and my work with Church leaders in these places shows that very little about what’s happening outside the Church is known to the Church. Sadly, these happenings are faced by Church folks too, who form around a third of the World’s population.
Sex outside of God’s righteousness-bounds (other humanity-related subjects alike) and its consequences must be a subject considered vital enough to be given priority for open discussion in Church; because if not ‘safe’ to discuss in Church, where else?
An enabling environment must be consciously created within the Church so young people find Church the first place they want to run to when they’ve had their fingers burnt – and we all do have our fingers burnt! It must sieze to be that Church folks (especially young people) find it ‘safer’ to share their ‘trips, slips and falls’ with a system not equiped to bring them God’s unconditional and non-judgemental love. It must sieze to be that folks prefer the cold embrace of the ‘playground’ to the ‘love’ of their ‘parents’. If Church is considered scary to young people then where is safe?
Jul 27, 2012 @ 13:20:28
“It must sieze to be that Church folks (especially young people) find it ‘safer’ to share their ‘trips, slips and falls’ with a system not equiped to bring them God’s unconditional and non-judgemental love.”
Although I agree with the spirit of that statement BOT, it seems to me that the assertion that only the church has the capacity to love unconditionally and without judgement is riddled with question-marks, and shines a bright light on the very problem that inspired this blog.
The reason why Church leaders know very little about what’s happening outside the Church is because they maintain a closed view of the world as a system or playground full of enemies, whereas really, it is just full of god-designed individuals trying their best to find Jesus incarnate in their circumstances – individuals who all need encouragement and Love – which by the way might explain why they have a strong allergy to warfare language. Thinking of the world out there as a pit full of enemies immediately casts the church in the role of paranoid adversary and that is exactly what causes scary controlling behaviour like this…..
http://matthewpaulturner.net/jesus-needs-new-pr/mark-driscolls-church-discipline-contract-looking-for-true-repentance-at-mars-hill-church-sign-on-the-dotted-line/
http://matthewpaulturner.net/jesus-needs-new-pr/mark-driscolls-gospel-shame-the-truth-about-discipline-excommunication-and-cult-like-control-at-mars-hill/
What young person would trust church leaders when they see this kinda carry on?! Unfortunately, a lot of young and old people feel caught between the world and the church – they look at both and though they recognise that both are different, they cannot reconcile in their minds why there needs to be hostility between the two. Unfortunately, many end up feeling like they have to choose one or the other. Although I’m glad to be part of a community of christians commited to caring for the world in the name of Christ, I’m not surprised that a lot of folks end up leaving the church. Why? Because I see what many of them experience at the hands of cult-ish churches, where instead of being cared for & allowed to rest & blossom in the bossom of a loving heavenly father, they find themselves subject to mental abuse, all in the name of the church of Christ.
Young people are not mugs, they are the lifeblood and the future of the church. Until the church becomes a place where their souls can find rest & recuperation (not punishment & abandonment), it will continue to perish. Personally, I think this is a good challenge. The church is losing it’s life blood from these sorts of self-inflicted injuries & I’m glad that you (Isabelle) have the courage to press on these wounds however painful so as to try and stem the bleeding.
Nov 29, 2012 @ 13:01:33
Someone said there are two religions in the world – God and sex. People abuse sex because they do not know God. The naming and shaming happening in churches does not help anyone. It’s like the church sends a message: ‘Don’t get caught!’ The church cares about punishing people who have become pregnant because the evidence is there. Folks have gotten ‘smarter,’ becoming experts in birth control methods. What they should be doing is self control.
Jun 28, 2013 @ 01:37:00
As a young person struggling in this area, to read this was a breath of fresh air. However, I believe more thought needs to go into how to address sexual taboos in the church (or at least for my church). I know of many teenagers doing the wrong thing, and of many leaders in the church overlooking it and not addressing it because its a touchy subject. I also remember being a toddler and seeing my older sister get punished and condemn for touching herself without explanations or further discussion about the matter. And so this instilled fear into me. But perfect love casts out fear, yeah? (Children who masturbate are not perverted, they are curious but someone needs to teach them what to do with the curiosity rather than punish them). Well many other events such as these had a traumatizing effect for me as a kid and is majorly impacting on my relationships and other areas of my life as a young adullt including sexuality. And yes I believe in healing through Christ but this has been a slow process for me. How is a young Christian who has not matured supposed to manage the conflict between what God commands us to do around marriage and sexual immorality when our bodies and sex drives are raging and we are struggling to gain control over it and no one will help us or talk about it? Of course their is freedom from sin through Jesus but most teens as you said are saturated in a culture by the attitude that you can have and do what you want when you want which is much more appealing than restraints. There is so much temptation around and not enough church leaders willing to break the barrier of awkwardness in discussing the subject to youth to help us on our way. This is a subject I am really passionate about but I look around and see few Christians with me on this one. It’s such a struggle. For me personally and to watch others fall into temptation.
Sep 09, 2013 @ 22:43:12
Lucy.
It has taken me months to reply to you because I did not know what to say. The rawness in your words deeply impacted my heart and I guess I just wanna let you know that you are not alone. Be strong and stay close to Jesus. The closer you get to Him the more the struggle will fall away. But as much as there is wisdom in many counselors, they must propel you into Jesus and not themselves because the more you follow them instead of God, the more the magnitude of your struggle will be. I know, trust me I really do.
Here if you ever need an impartial ear.x